David Geffen

JM: It’s an invention! It's like, David Geffen in the American Masters—I forgot what they called this, that PBS series of documentaries on like American Masters, I think it was called. The very first thing David Geffen says is something to the effect of: all artists, to some degree, are an invention that they made up. And this is a horrible paraphrasing, but that's the takeaway from it. And I still look at people—everybody's a dumb idiot who just made choices to invent themselves. And some people have better taste in their invention, and some people just don't. But no matter how big your name is you're still a little human-sized person inside the robot. And I just look at people’s robots and I go, “You're doing your robot wrong. You programmed your robot —I hope you figure it out." But I never personalize it because I know how hard it is out there.